Monday, January 15, 2007

 

sen. barbara boxer vs. secty of state 'condi' rice

dear senator boxer:
i am not a resident of CA, but i am a citizen of the U.S. after reading an article in today's nytimes (13 jan) describing thursday's exchange between you & condi rice, & of the subsequent fallout, i felt compelled to write this letter of support. i was outraged that u have come under attack for asking the "question of the day" & pushing the point so, at least, someone from this administration is "outed"! the incredible gall that condi would connect your comment, as relating at all to motherhood, is so ridiculous, it approaches farce!! but, this is what bush, cheney, rice, rumsfeld, etc... do all the time.

"who pays the price"? IS what should be asked of each & everyone who sends our men/boys to fight a war. a war that should never have been entered into, & now exists in a world of it's own. as kerry rightfully asked (paraphrased): "who wants to be the last to die, when "we" pull out of an unnecessary engagement...?"
DO NOT make excuses, as the article suggests by quoting u as saying "u were misunderstood". u asked the right question, u were not misunderstood, but because condi had no answer, she falls back on rhetoric that attempts to brand u, not her!!?? it's incredible, she or anyone responsible for iraq can still get away with this flagrant lack of responsibility. U WERE RIGHT to cut her off "! she did not want to address your question for obvious reasons.
I WOULD NOT, nor should U, care what that moron tony snow has to say, or for that matter, what the ultra-moron, rush limbaugh has to say - both are laughingstocks & a discredit to all pundits!!
THE FACT-OF-THE-MATTER IS: U have singlehandedly made a giant leap forward for mankind AND feminism - that should be your focus!

i am puzzled, but not surprised by the typical suspects coming forward, & their attempts to cast whatever they cast (??) typically, the conservative blogs & commentators have some sort of forced kneejerk reaction to anything that speaks to truth. i am NOT surprised by the lack of support shown by, of all groups, democratic senate staffers! what nerve, but what backbone have they ever shown? as for your fellow democrats in congress - shame on them!! as for deneen borelli, & all those of HER ilk, she/they just don't get IT!! your comments were NOT a "cruel & callous attack...", but a legitimate question, which DEMANDS an answer to that question, & NOT to be shunted aside.
but, what do i know? what i do know is, I applaud your individuality, your directness, your refreshing honest questioning put to pompous officials who are hiding beyond a false cloak of righteousness.

THANK U!! keep up the good work u are doing. maybe one day, the country will wake up, & ask the kind of questions u so bravely ask!!!

By HELENE COOPER and Thom Shanker Published: January 13, 2007
A passing exchange during a Senate hearing on Thursday turned into a political flashpoint overnight as Senator Barbara Boxer, the California Democrat, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice accused one another of insensitivity in comments about motherhood and the war in Iraq.In an interview with The New York Times on Friday, Ms. Rice suggested that Ms. Boxer had set back feminism by suggesting during the hearing that the childless Ms. Rice had paid no price in the Iraq war. "I thought it was O.K. to be single,” Ms. Rice said. “I thought it was O.K. to not have children, and I thought you could still make good decisions on behalf of the country if you were single and didn’t have children.” During the Thursday hearing, Senator Boxer told Ms. Rice: “Who pays the price? I’m not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You’re not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families. And I just want to bring us back to that fact.”

In an interview on Friday, Senator Boxer said her comments had been misunderstood and were now being turned against her by the White House and by Republicans. “What I was trying to do in this exchange was to find common ground with Condi Rice,” she said. “My whole point was to focus on the military families who pay the price.” Senator Boxer added: “I’m saying, she’s like me, we do not have families who are in the military. What they are doing is a really tortured way to attack a United States senator who voted against the war.”

The exchange between Senator Boxer and Ms. Rice came during a hostile Senate hearing in which Ms. Rice, seeking to sell President Bush’s new Iraq plan to a skeptical Congress, faced an almost solid wall of opposition from both Democrats and Republicans. Senator Boxer several times repeated the question, “Who pays the price?” Senator Boxer read excerpts from a radio interview with an American family who had lost a son in Iraq. “You can’t begin to imagine how you celebrate any holiday or birthday,” she said. “There’s an absence. It’s not like the person’s never been there. They always were there and now they’re not, and you’re looking at an empty hole.”

Ms. Rice replied, “I can never do anything to replace any of those lost men and women in uniform, or the diplomats, some of whom ——” Senator Boxer cut her off. “Madam Secretary, please, I know you feel terrible about it. That’s not the point. I was making the case as to who pays the price for your decisions.”

During the hearing itself, Ms. Rice did not appear to take issue with Senator Boxer’s comments. During the interview, she addressed them only in response to a question. But the White House spokesman, Tony Snow, suggested earlier on Friday that Senator Boxer’s comments were antifeminist. “I don’t know if she was intentionally tacky,” Mr. Snow said in an interview on Fox News. “It’s a great leap backward for feminism.”

A number of members of Congress have children in the military who are serving in Iraq or are likely to do so, including Senators John McCain of Arizona and Jim Webb of Virginia.

Senator Boxer’s comments and the claims and counterclaims about what she meant have captivated the blogs and received extensive coverage on Fox News and other cable channels. One blog, called Swampland, labeled it “Womb Wars.” Conservative blogs and commentators were quick to seize on the issue. “One Great Leap (Backwards) for Womankind,” read one blog, Bikini Politics. “They will be known by their Fruits,” read another, Macsmind, which billed itself as “Conservative News, Commentary and Common Sense.” Rush Limbaugh also got into the act. “Here you have a rich white chick with a huge, big mouth, trying to lynch this, an African-American woman, right before Martin Luther King Day, hitting below the ovaries here,” Mr. Limbaugh said on his radio show. Deneen Borelli, a fellow with Project 21, which describes itself as a “leading voice in the African-American community,” said, “I am deeply appalled by Senator Barbara Boxer’s cruel and callous attack on Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.” “The debate should have been about the war in Iraq and not a platform to demean Secretary Rice,” Ms. Borelli said in a statement issued by the organization.

Some Democratic Senate staffers said Senator Boxer’s exchange with Ms. Rice allowed the Bush administration to turn the tables on Iraq critics and sidestep the larger issue of the almost uniform opposition to the president’s plan to send 20,000 more American soldiers to Iraq. There was no rush from Democrats to defend Senator Boxer, although one blogger on the Swampland blog called Senator Boxer’s comments “fair, as far as it goes.” During the interview with the Times, Ms. Rice said she had expected the skepticism that she received from Congress the day before. “I’ve been through things like this before,” she said.



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